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Airplane Tickets and Hotel Scam

I was recently invited to this scam that I thought was somewhat interesting. I knew the moment I stepped into this place that it was a scam, by the way they handled everything. I’ll document everything that I had experienced with this scam.

The Phone Call

I received a phone call from an advertising/marketing company, which the lady (Sally) didn’t want to tell me which company it was. Anyway, she told me I’ve been “specially selected” from a survey I took a few weeks back regarding the number of credit cards I have. I do recall somewhat that I received a phone call regarding something along these lines back around the 5th April. But I do not recall giving my complete details, like my full name and identification number. However, Sally had all these information on hand. Someone probably had sold these information to them, because I’ve never given my full name to anyone. Just ask any of my friends what my full name is, majority of them wouldn’t know.

So Sally told me I’ve “won” 3 prizes. A $50 voucher of either NTUC (grocery store) or Isetan (departmental + grocery store); 1 for 1 cruise to nowhere, the Caribbean, etc; 8D7N hotel stay in Thailand. I thought nothing of this and just said okay, I’ll meet them to hear what they have to say and arranged to meet them the next day. I asked about what the company name was, and Sally told me it was called “Touch Planet”.

Location and Phone Details of This Scam

Since my information was readily available to them, I don’t see why I should keep their information private too.

Sally’s Cell Number: +65 9270 2557
Sally’s Office Number: +65 64382119
i-Discover (or Touch Planet) Address: Regency Tower #03-15

The Initial Walk In

So I went with my friend, of course. When I found the place (I was about 1/2 hr late trying to locate the place), I only saw the word “iDiscover” and a piece of printed paper on the door with a few words indicating “Touch Planet” was here. We went in and was told to fill up a particulars form with my name, occupation, age, marital status, etc. After that, we waited to be called into this room with lots of individual tables and chairs, each table with a “sales” representative to “sell” you their product. I thought, “Of course nothing comes for free. I’ll just have to listen to what they have to sell. Why not?” So I sat down and met this pretty lady who spoke very typically bad Singaporean English.

The Pitch

I can’t remember everything she was trying to tell me, but it boils down to these few selling points.

  • Pay $350 for a “voucher-like” 10N hotel stay anywhere per year
  • Depending on where you stay, there’s a USD$10 to $40 “processing fee” per night
  • Purchase blocks of 3N hotel stay after you’ve finished your 10N “voucher” for about USD$30 per night on top of the “processing fee”
  • These hotel stay are transferable to anyone
  • If the 10N hotel stay ($350) is not used, a rebate of $600 will be issued to you
  • Convert the 10N hotel stay ($350) to a 2 return ticket on top of variable “processing fee” depending on peak period and location (ranging from USD$10 to USD$1000 per person)

She helped me do a cost comparison between an actual ticket to Japan for 14 nights stay with their plan, and it gave me a savings of 45% (at about SGD$2,100). Everything sounds very good, doesn’t it?

The Hidden Cost

Then she popped the question, “How much are you willing to pay for this?” That essentially shocked me. I thought that was all the cost, you mean I have to pay MORE? She called her manager to talk to me regarding this. From my friend’s research during that 2 hours she was explaining what she was trying to sell me, we found out that the “membership fee” is about SGD$19,000 for 10 years. That will equate to about SGD$1,900 per year, comparing with what I “save” (SGD$2,100), I actually ONLY save SGD$200, which I could save with the NATAS Travel Fair provided I actually spend that amount per year on travelling.

Is that a SCAM or what?

The Insult

My friend Justin, who is an insurance agent, was accompanying me. So now the manager is talking to me with his fake smile and his even-more-horrible-Singaporean-English-than-the-pretty-sales-lady asking me how much I am willing to pay for this. I explained he has to tell me how much it is first, before I can consider. But he kept insisting to give a number, so I quickly did my calculation in my head and I figured out that if I had to pay anything more than SGD$1,000 per year, I wouldn’t see any returns at all. I just told him (already knowing fully how much it is going to cost me) that if he offered less than SGD$1,000 per year, I might consider.

Knowing that my friend is an insurance agent, he took this opportunity to compare buying insurance with buying his package. He explained that you wouldn’t see any visible returns from buying insurance until possibly many years down the road, or even never. However, with his package, you can see visible returns instantly every year. This pissed me off to the point that I was enraged at him comparing a “death and sickness” (do note that my dad is still in the hospital) with a HOLIDAY TRIP.

How can you compare a necessity of getting medical insurance to cover a potential illness, injury or death with something “optional” that you can do without like going for a holiday? That was the last straw and he told me “I think this package is not suited for you.” I told him back “I think so too, since I don’t see any benefits at all.”

The Gifts

Remember they were supposed to give me 3 “gifts” for going through their whole marketing scam? Well, I only received the $50 Isetan voucher. Furthermore, they wanted to see my identification card, AND my credit card, which I insisted on covering the credit card numbers.

Before I left, the pretty lady was nice enough to say “Thanks for coming, and sorry for wasting your time.” The manager just told her off saying loudly “We’re not wasting their time, they’re wasting our time.” and pushed her back into the room.

The Conclusion

If they didn’t have the shocking “membership fees” at the end of the whole presentation, I would have actually gotten this really great deal. However, they were just out to cheat and con innocently stupid people who can’t calculate properly for themselves. So I hope this blog post will educate more people of how these scams aren’t really helping you save money at all.

Lessons Learned:

  • Don’t ever compare insurance with anything else
  • Don’t try to cheat a Math/Statistics/Accounting Major with Computer Science Degree
  • Be upfront with all the cost, including the hidden ones, for your client to make an informed decision
  • Good Service is always important even if your client doesn’t make a purchase

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271 comments

  1. I can’t believe you actually got the time to go for such stuff. Everyone knows that they should avoid all these “You won something something, please come to our office to collect” phone call.
    .-= DK´s last blog ..@HTC having a contest on the 10th anniversary of the iPAQ =-.

  2. LOL! I was just curious to “experience it” first hand, so I know what goes on in a scam. I already knew it was going to be something like that and was prepared to document everything.

  3. My parents fell for this many years ago. Luckily they didn’t go for the ‘full membership’ but a 1yr trial or something like that.. We tried to go back to try to save as much money as we could, but they just insisted we pay them more. It was like no way..

    But, my mom’s friend have bought into this and quite happy with their annual holidays.. I guess to each his own.. :S
    .-= NTT´s last blog ..The 3G-4G confusion.. =-.

  4. I am really surprised you decided to go there. I wouldn’t even have gone through the call completely. Would have told “Thanks for calling but unfortunately I am not interested.”

    P.S. Looks like Justin is a very popular name in Singapore.
    .-= Vishvesh´s last blog ..Cricket ground at Dharamshala =-.

  5. This is quite common and I think it’s not quite fair for you to call it a scam. It’s just like timeshare.

    I suspect that what they are doing is perfectly legal.

    Willing buyer, willing seller. 🙂

  6. Hi Justin,

    Yes, classic timeshare. Good on you for having the curiosity to check it out, and even better that you didn’t succumb to the hard sell that can entail. It may be legal, but I think “scam” is right because the sales tactics usually ensare the people who can least afford it and who would never buy under other circumstances.

    I tend to always go to these if approached in the street and I have the time. I am fireproof to their tactics at this point! Every half an hour of their time I can waste is my little victory in the fight back;-)

    I wonder what they’d do if you asked to live stream the “meeting”;-) Or better yet, get it out on twitter and have them flash-mobbed by non-buying walk-in “customers” 😉

    btw, sorry to hear about your Dad, hope he’s on the mend now.

  7. Thanks for sharing. I just encountered exactly the same scam but the caller was Andy. The vouchers were indeed tempting, especially when I currently have holiday plans in my mind. But I felt uncomfortable when that started asking for salary and everything. When I decided that I rather forgo the ‘offers’, Mr Andy just slam down the phone.

  8. I like the part about “Don’t ever compare insurance with anything else”. How can they use something critical like insurance cover to draw a parallel with a holiday scam product. Totally ridiculous!

  9. i got a call too..
    scary… tks for helping each other to keep these scamers off… sucky

  10. Hi Justin, thanks for the post it is really helpful; i face the same thing from Andy. i was about to go and check it out tmr what r they tryin to sell hahaha..but now i kno about since you’ve the story in details, i’m not gonna spend 90mins just for a $50 isetan voucher, my time is much more expensive than that..

    but their prizes are really tempting though..

  11. Hi Justin, thank you for the post. I just received the same scam. Fortunately I am able to google your blog very quickly. =)

  12. Got the same deal, even hear it out but the one that got my attention is “You must sign up here and now”. For which I tell them no, I do not sign up for something without proper thought over and research.

    I guess their sales tactics are
    1. Have a pretty lady that keeps bending over to give you tantalizing free show (for guys only not sure about ladies).
    2. Fast talking sales who keeps throwing numbers at you to confuse you.
    3. Repeating how good your savings are.
    4. Never mentioning the hidden costs involved if you wanna sign for any of the plans.
    5. Having a thick brochure of hotels. I looked through their list and seriously some of those quoted prices are totally wrong, I have stayed there I know.

    When I refuse to sign on the spot, they got me out ASAP. Even their prizes are not worth the effort going down, well just take it as an experience on how scams work. Lucky I don’t bow to pressure and girls dressed in low cut dresses.

  13. Thanks for the post. I got a call from them yesterday, and when the phone person got through to me they put me to a manager it was then I asked for the name of the company.

    A quick search put me on your website and I’ll just kindly reject their offer.

  14. Just received a call from the man call Andy asking me to go down for 3 free gift, no conditions no obligation. While talking to him, i found this website. I told him I have changed my mind not to go down to meet him because I read about the scam in internet. He hung up the phone, ha ha ha.

  15. This is a very helpful link. I’ve posted on my FB wall to warn my friends. At first i wanted to go down and have a feel of what the scam is about but after reading your write-up. i’ve decided to totally drop that idea. =)

  16. Hi, I googled abt I-discover back at home after my husb and I attended this exact same thing this afternoon. Lol I agreed to attending it for my curiosity to know what ‘koh yoh’ they are selling. We dun really believe that they will actually give us the 4 gifts. And of cos we didnt sign up for any memberships which we were quoted $10k for 10 years plus the same $350/yr maintenance fee and $600 rebate! Seriously, this sales guy who served my husb and I, was really very suay. Upon seating down at the table, we made it very clear to him that both of us are sales professionals (legitimate sales) plus the very fact that my husb used to be selling timeshare some years back. At the end of the 2 hours, he said he hoped he wouldn’t meet another customers like us again.
    He didn’t hard sell us, as he definitely knew it was not going to work. He kept emphasizing on the savings savings savings. I mean seriously are we really goondus?! I may not have a beautiful accounting degree but I am definitely very prudent and calculative to the cent. My husb, no need to say. Been there done that.
    We wasn’t expecting the gifts but here is what we got. A paper saying there is a 2 for 1 cruise which u have to pay $10 and reg online, a paper saying that I can redeem a us$1000 online shopping voucher which I have to pay $10 to reg online, a paper saying 7n stay in Phuket or koh samui which I have to pay 69euros and have to attend their compulsory holiday membership presentation during the stay, and a $588 voucher for a makeover service. I have went to the websites stated and i feel that it looks fake and I really do not believe there is such a good thing on earth. Pay $10 for $1000 shopping, top up $5 for an additional $1000!?!
    Who knows maybe after I enter my credit card details to pay the $10 and they will keep charging me for nothing (some scams work this way)
    So conclusion is, we have spent 2hrs of our lives just to satisfy my curiosity lol

    • Wow. Yes, that website thing to register your vouchers has been mentioned in several forums of being a fake. Thankfully you took the safe route and didn’t get tempted at such “good deal”.

      Thanks for sharing!

  17. Ya man. For those ppl who wish to kill some time and attend such scam talks, here are some tips.
    1) the background music will be loud. The intention is to get you to inch forward to listen to them. So, rem to rest back on the chair and do not bend forward.
    2) always maintain a closed body gesture like folding your arms. This will give the sales rep a harder time trying to open you up.
    3) always maintain a poker face
    4) the sales rep will ask you questions on you, your family and anything about you so that they have topics to break the ice with you, so do not feed them the info
    5) he will ask for your opinion on whatever he had said, do no elaborate, bcos the more u talk, the more key points they can use to tackle you.
    6) their favourite tactic is to find your hot button and keep pressing it. Eg if they find out that you love your kid and wish to bring them for a trip, they will keep emphasizing this, so dont feed them this info
    7) do not ask them how much is it. This is a buying signal.

    That’s about it.

  18. I just went last night! Didn’t join the membership (of coz)
    They are more ‘friendly’ now. The package offered to me:
    $208.33 interest free monthly installment for 24 months so it’s like much cheaper?

    My co-worker was curious and when to google the “Vacation Gateway” address printed on the voucher certs (the free gifts) that they have given:
    11501 Dublin Blvd. suite 200
    Dublin, CA 94568

    The result is:
    It’s a Church address

  19. Woah…. after reading your blog, I must say you have saved me a trip 😀

    Earlier there was a lady named Serene who invited me to went there tomorrow night. Didn’t manage to catch hold of the company address during the conversation so asked her to SMS me the address. Went to Google map to find the “Regency Tower” but can’t find but end up found your website.

    As a courtesy, I msg back nicely that I won’t be attending and requested her not to call me back.

    Great job 🙂

  20. Hi all,

    Im just quite curious about all the above comments posted, as me and my husband took up the program from exactly the place which everyone is mentioning here. We took up the 10year trial program at the price of $9,000,we paid the full payment using the 24months installment which they offer. We has been their member for 2yrs,we have been to San francisco, paris and hongkong. They gave us what they promise and we were staying in good hotels at a super low cost. we save alot of money from there n still looking forward to more trips with them in future. I do not feel that its a scam,i believe those who posted above are not the member,they have not tried it themselves before commenting.Well,different ppl are skeptical with different thing,i glad that we give it a try and realise it does work=)

  21. Thank you guys, your contributes saved me the trip!

  22. Hey, thanks to this website… save me a trip. They just called me today (this lady called Ivy). Say I can go collect a free handphone/shopping vouchers, plus other gifts…

    Anyway, I initially agreed to go down tomorrow night as they promised a no terms and conditions no obligation presentation for 90 minutes. But after reading the above… I decided to cancel the trip. No point going down if I’m not going to sign up with them.

    I guess they’re indeed doing a legit business but I find their methods highly questionable and unethical. I guess they want to use hard tactics when they can talk to you face to face to convince you to sign up for their packages. In fact, a few years ago, I had a similar experience but was at the building next to Paragon… the sweet girl tried to sell me their membership and when I refused to budge she tried to say she’ll lose her job or something. Very unethical.

    I seriously think the case should be reported to… CASE. There would surely be some people who fall into their trap and succumb to the pressure to sign up. Even if the business is legit, I do not support the way they get their customers because they do not give the customers time to think about it but want them to sign up on the spot. They are also not upfront in the phone calls and such.

    @ Teo: glad you’re one happy customer… hope you really reap a lot of rewards/discount eventually.

  23. hi everyone here, thanks for the information shared. I recieved the call too, well there is nothing free indeed!

  24. Hi all,

    I received the call yesterday. Said I will go down but after googling their number, I found a forum that links me here. Lucky I had searched! What a scam! Thanks for posting. You saved me a trip! Happy New Year! =)

    • I just received the same call today. They are offering the same prizes. This time the woman (Pamela)told me their company was called ‘KY infinity or IDK travels’ (or something like that), located at #03-15 Regency Towers. She ‘strongly encouraged’ me to attend to collect my prizes, and when I said I wanted to bring someone, she insisted I tell her whether it was a guy or a girl, and my relationship to my friend.

      When I asked how she got my number in the first place, she said it was from coupons from shopping centres. So, I’ve now learnt never to fill in those lucky draws from shopping centres as they sell your information to such companies!

      Luckily I googled the address and saw your blog entry. Thanks for publishing it so that people don’t get conned and waste their time going for this event. =)

  25. Hi,
    Thank you very much for posting this.
    I received a call yesterday and I was quite skeptical about it. He insisted that its not a timeshare and kept going about the prizes that i’ve won (1: handphone/shopping voucher; 2: 1for1 cruise voucher; 3: a 5 star free accommodation in thailand for a week; 4: mystery gift). He was very vague abt the details or his company, but he left me an sms on the directions when I say I’m not sure when I can come down to collect the prizes. The sms just states that the company name is I.D.K. Travels and the contact number is 68367520. Can’t find the company in google, but the phone number led me to a forum, which led me to your site.

    Thanks to your entry, I will not be wasting my time to attend the event.

    cheers!

  26. Thanks for the heads up, just received a call with the same prize. Scenario works the same as, do a phone survey, few days later ivy called – 68367520 asked me to select my prize 1: handphone/shopping voucher; 2: 1for1 cruise voucher; 3: a 5 star free accommodation in thailand for a week; 4: mystery gift) and go down to regency and collect the “prize”. Then after confirmation passed the phone to “ANDY” who said that it would take approx 90 mins. Since they claim to be in “holiday” industry i will buy them a a380 ticket as well!

  27. Gosh! I got this stupid call from Ivy too… Heng I am smart enough to goggle for details.

    I going to ignore them though I told them I will be going down tomorrow noon.

  28. Got the call and went today. It’s exactly the same. Vouchers/telephone, 1 for 1 cruise. Didn’t have to attend the 1 to 1 talk though. Prob because i went with slippers n short pants. They even gave me photocopied vouchers. Haha… Thanks for sharing.

  29. Just got the call with the same mode of operations from a guy called David Tan. Keeps claiming that they are not going to sell anything and I could just get the prizes out of good will. No so sure of it now… Guess if you really have a good product, it will sell itself! Will give it a miss… thanks for sharing!

  30. Hi Justin,

    Thanks for the sharing! I also intended to go down to have a look at the travel packages that they are offering though I do not believe in receiving free gift for “no strings attach”.

    …but after “google-ing” their company name, and being directed to ur blog, haha.. just called to leave a message that I will not be able to attend it tonight. Don’t want to waste my time when there’s enough “insight” from reading your blog!

    btw, the guy who call me is David, who also passes the phone to a “manager” called Ryan to reconfirm when I say I will bring along someone else.

    Thz!

  31. I think they have gotten even more unethical. I received a survey call a couple of weeks back and the lady claim she was doing a survey on credit cards. Probably a screening process to filter potential targets who have certain earning power. When I got suspicious and asked the name of the client who contracted her to do the survey, she was vague about it and just said it is a collective survey from all the banks in Singapore. I found that highly questionable and ended the call there and then.

    Then today, I received a call from a guy who used that survey call as a touch point and went on and on about the prizes (1)$500 shopping voucher/mobile phone; 2) 1 for 1 cruise; 3) 7 day hotel stay in Thailand)without giving me the opportunity to even tell him that it’s not the best time to talk to him then. When I asked if this is some program that involve me going down and attend some talk before I get the prizes, he said no. I didn’t commit to going down but I took down the company name (I.D.K Travels), Address (Regency Towers) and Tel no. (6836 7520). And when I googled about them, I was led to this blog.

    While some may benefit from the program but by and large most will not fully reap the benfits of what they have paid for, especially if you just travel once a year. With the membership fee + other charges, the NATAs fair definitely present more transparent savings. Not to mention the way they try to rail potential buyers in and the use of pressure sales tactics is totally unethical. I attended one many years back, they trap you in and try to wear you down with a long sales pitch and even try to paint you their sob stories to get your sympathy.

    A family friend of mine bought into such a program quite a few years back from some other company also selling similar Timeshare programs. When he decided to cancel the membership, he was told he is not allowed to terminate unless he find a buyer who is willing to take over his membership. The company recommended some agent who can help to find buyers but he will have to pay a service fee upfront and there is no guarantee that they can find a buyer. The service wasn’t cheap either. When he told them that he has not heard of any membership which cannot be terminated, my friend was threatened verbally to be sued. After many months and sending cancellations in writing, his request was finally acceded. But on and off, he is still receiving calls from agents offering to find buyers.

    Thus my advice to all who are considering taking up the program, do your math and consider if your holiday plans can truly benefit from the program before committing. As getting into the program is not exactly cheap and getting out is a real hassle.

  32. Hi just received the same call fm this lady called Joey fm K Y Infinity. You are doing a lot of people for sharing your experience with us. There’s no free lunch in this world, really.

  33. I had the same call today, too. Like Justin, I was tempted to go down to Regency Towers and satisfy my curiosity. LOL, the caller (Melvin), he rambled on about the four free gifts- no terms and conditions applied (1)either $500 shopping voucher or mobile phone; 2) 1 for 1 cruise; 3) 5-stars free accomodation in Thailand. He even gave the phone to his supervisor, Adeline, to confirm the processing of the gifts. I would have still gone down if I didn’t have an emergency to attend to.

    An hour later, I called them to politely say that I won’t be able to attend any of their 2-day “Invited Only” promotion and refused the gifts. I was still at KKH and they still continued to try and reach me at different numbers, in hopes that I can still attend the last 90-minute session at 8.30pm. I reckon it is because they could’t contact me using the hotline no. Then while waiting at the dispensary, I randomly decided to look up IDK Agency and lo and behold I came across this blog. Thanks!

    Please note that these might also be numbers they use to reach potential unsuspecting people.

    Hotline: 6836 7520
    Others: 6887 3439, 68874983
    Mobile: 9004 5998

    I hope these inputs will help. Justin and all, thanks for the sharing too!

  34. Thanks for sharing! I also received this phone call today from a person called David Wong. He asked me if I had done a survey on credit card. His number is 68367527. He also told me about the 3 free gifts1)either $500 shopping voucher or mobile phone; 2) 1 for 1 cruise; 3) 5-stars free accomodation in Thailand

    He also mentioned that there will be no conditions attached and there will be an exhibition going on after valentine’s day. He seems very eager to get you going to the exhibition and telling you that the handphone is on a first come first serve basis.

    He told me about the company but i didn’t catch it well… So i did a search based on regency tower level 3 and i found this website that informs us on this scam.

    Hope that many people can view this website and avoid having this scam.

  35. Hello Justin and everyone on this thread. I stumbled upon this valuable blog and thanks to it, i have decided not to attend their so called travel fair!! Had my niece who works at police force to check them out. I quickly called them up, politely declined to attend. And they keep asking or the reason why i couldnt attend. Such crooks!

  36. GEEZ! i just ended the call from this Melvin Lim and the same thing happen as everyone mention from here! He keeps pushing me to go n see for myself and eventually i told him that i’ve contacted Regency house and they mention that there is no such fair going on and reminded me to beware of such scam. This Melvin Lim keeps persuading me to go n see for myself if not he will lose his job. Anyway, when i actually tell him that i’ve know abt this scam and he can still blames me for checking for info online noted to him that i’m going to make a police report, he became hostile and insists that i can go ahead with the police report.

  37. Guess can’t be too careful about giving out one’s information or what others might do with it. Really great you gave it the effort to check it out as well as share to warn other people. On the other hand, wonder how they got your information – unscrupulous people everywhere, that will do anything for money.

  38. Hoho. I googling for more info about the IKI travel thingy + The phone number/hotline that I should contact. I didn’t get anything.

    When I’m googling from the caller’s number. This is what I get 😀
    Nice sharing! Btw I’m given the choice of the $500 voucher thing + hotel stay + cruise thingy.

    For the googling purpose I’m adding.
    i.k.i
    winsland house
    68366771
    melvin lim
    calling from 68874983

  39. I got the same one from different number:

    i.k.i
    winsland house

    calling from
    68874983

  40. Thanks for posting ur experience here. I got the same call. Did the survey just a few days ago, got the invite today. Was offered $500 shopping voucher or mobile phone, 1 for 1 cruise and 7 days 3 star hotel stay in Thailand. Def not gonna turn up for this event and i’m not even gonna bother calling them to say I won’t be showing up. The police should really do somethin about this. But thanks Justin.

  41. Hi all,

    thanks for all the sharing and i’d like to contribute to this thread as they are coming up with some modifications with their offers. I just recieved their call to say i have won 1: handphone/shopping voucher; 2: 1for1 cruise voucher; 3: a 5 star free accommodation in thailand for a week; 4: mystery gift) Here are the ‘updated infos’

    1) Not at regency house anymore, it’s at a mini travel fair (like natas as they quote) at oxley road btw vision bldg & winsland hse
    2) Name of the advertising company: SG infinity advertising
    3)Contact person: Rina 68366 771/ 8138 81**(hp)

  42. HI, I also received the same survey few weeks back and followed by a call from MELVIN LIM phone 68874983….said i will get (1: handphone/shopping voucher; 2: 1for1 cruise voucher; 3: a 5 star free accommodation in thailand for a week and no expiry date; 4: mystery gift) and insist that i must went today as this is their first day opening in order to get the fourth gift but i told him i couldnt attend today and he nicely told me that he will reserved the fourth gift for me when i go down by tomorrow. He keep convince me that this is not a seminar, product selling and keep explaining which to be honest i didnt really put attention on him.

    He even told me that i can only go alone as the exhibition is only open for invited guest this week. Lucky i found this website before i waste my time to go down and get trapped down there.

  43. Hi all,

    Will like to contribute too.

    Was Told over the phone / Fallacy –
    1. There is no obligation.There is no hard-selling and it is not timeshare.
    2. Mini “NATAS” Fair.
    3. Just go there take some brochures and take a look.
    4. Door Gifts includes Nokie/Samsung HP worth $500, travel voucher & Etc.
    5. The consultant (name : Melvin Lim) will tell you that he have to work OT in order to attend to you personally.
    6. Promised to be 90 mins session only.

    —————————————————————
    Facts –
    1. There is no mini fair or whatsoever. The venue which is Regency House – Level 3 is too so bloody small to host anything. The hosting room where the consultant will speak to you is so damn run-down. No partition, no work cubicle,no furnishing and supervisor/managers’ desks are simply placed at corner of the room. Initial impression will make you feel that this company must be damn poor loh! How can I trust my money with them.
    2. The consultant, which was supposed to be Melvin Lim, turned out to be some “nightclub hostess” alike woman.
    3. First 90 mins, “the Ice-Breaking session”, the consultant will try very hard to “charm” you and start asking you personal questions, probe into your personal life as if she is your friend.
    4. Next 90 mins, “the Brain Washing session”, she will keep telling you how much you can save with their package. Keep repeating herself by giving 20-30 cost-saving examples. Her supervisor will also step in to psycho you.. blah blah blah…
    5. They will only reveal the membership fee at the end of the session, which turned out to be more than $10,000!!!… on top of that, you will need to pay a yearly subscription of $650.
    6. After you persist that you are not keen, they reluctantly give you door gifts at the reception. The so-called $500 worth HP is some cheapo HP that is avialable in 7-11 for at most $60 and the useless voucher that require you to register in US website. Obviously it is a scam!

    Useful Information:
    Company name : i-Discover
    Address : Regency House Level 3
    Telemarketer name : Mevlin Lim
    Telemarketer Phone lines/HP : 68874983, 68873439, 81398105

  44. Got a call from the David Wong fellow too, I think they are going by the company name “ITG” now

  45. Hi all,

    Also receive the same phone call from Melvin
    Ph: 6887 4983
    hp: 9004 5998

  46. The Place located at vision building on ground floor, penang road. they said customer hotline: 68367526

  47. i just backed from there too. Was curious of what the spam is… I didn’t get the price part… but really shocking!

  48. Just came out from there last night. Glad I didn’t go for the plan. But I must say the comments about the ladies were right on, very pretty indeed and from what I see they try to pair you up to their advantage. eg. pretty lady with single guys, guy advisor with couples etc. This lady who attended to me was pretty but with typical Singaporean Ah-Lian accent. After a while she stopped trying to speak to me in English but revert to her Lian-ish Chinese instead. On and off she will lean forward and get closer to you asking you some personal questions about your likes and motivations. Guess she’s trying to find my weak spot, well, I offered her little help in that aspect. Same tactic, keep harping on the savings aspects and how everyone is travelling so why not save more while doing what everyone is doing..

    Even gotten her supervisor Belinda to convince me but I refused to committ to an impulse decision based on nothing but one sided comments. Keep trying to push me for on the spot sign-up. When I stubbornly refuse their smiles change to a “take it or leave it” and the lady now gave me a “you wasted my time” attitude with black face to match. Well, I left.

    • I stupidly paid deposit & regret right aft I go home but never cancel sooner cos the salesgirl was so good she ask me out the night I sign the member. Dey use this tactic to lure us.. So end up go to CASE to ask dem send letter, still ganna forfeit deposit & I only juz finish to pay dem last year! CASE pun bo help much, say i aledy pass thier 5 day cooloff period la, say dey help negotiate lower penalty but end up still haf to pay full $2k #¥€% biggest mistake only consolation is I bonked the salesgirl a few times but still too much $$$ for dat

    • I stupidly paid deposit & regret right aft I go home but never cancel sooner cos the salesgirl was so good she ask me out the night I sign the member. Dey use this tactic to lure us.. So end up go to CASE to ask dem send letter, still ganna forfeit deposit & I only juz finish to pay dem last year! CASE pun bo help much, say i aledy pass thier 5 day cooloff period la, say dey help negotiate lower penalty but end up still haf to pay full $2k #¥€% biggest mistake only consolation is I bonked the salesgirl a few times but still too much $$$ for dat

    • I stupidly paid deposit & regret right aft I go home but never cancel sooner cos the salesgirl was so good she ask me out the night I sign the member. Dey use this tactic to lure us.. So end up go to CASE to ask dem send letter, still ganna forfeit deposit & I only juz finish to pay dem last year! CASE pun bo help much, say i aledy pass thier 5 day cooloff period la, say dey help negotiate lower penalty but end up still haf to pay full $2k #¥€% biggest mistake only consolation is I bonked the salesgirl a few times but still too much $$$ for dat

    • After reading this post I have sth to add on too. Initially the guy Andy on the phone thought I would be attending the talk alone. And then I told him that I will be bringing my girl friend along, and then he mentioned that the seminar is only meant for me alone. All of this make things even more fishy. I try to sms him and tell him I will not be going to the talk. He act blur that he did not want to reply. The next day even try to call me and ask me why never come and even try to give me a lecture on why listening to these internet posts. All these people from the company are very persistent. Sometimes I just wish they put their energy into something that’s worth our time and not all this time-sharing holiday package that nobody want.

    • After reading this post I have sth to add on too. Initially the guy Andy on the phone thought I would be attending the talk alone. And then I told him that I will be bringing my girl friend along, and then he mentioned that the seminar is only meant for me alone. All of this make things even more fishy. I try to sms him and tell him I will not be going to the talk. He act blur that he did not want to reply. The next day even try to call me and ask me why never come and even try to give me a lecture on why listening to these internet posts. All these people from the company are very persistent. Sometimes I just wish they put their energy into something that’s worth our time and not all this time-sharing holiday package that nobody want.

  49. Same. I got a call from Melvin about the same package…
    Hotline: 6836 7520
    Others: 6887 3439, 68874983
    Mobile: 9004 5998

    After listening I decided not to go and you know what? He smsed that I’m A STUPID BITCH.

  50. Have you guys reported this to the police?
    I hope at least one of you did, and gave them this website for reference.

  51. Omg!! I jus received the same call this morning (20april2011)
    Emily-6836 5564
    Emily hp-9099 5564
    Call me and mention the exactly same 3 gift..and ask me to come down to collect the free gift as what u had mention..so ya it true what u said..they have all our particular..have heard what they try to explain,I told them I coming down… So when I reached there,they ask me to fill up a form..while the lady tried to explain to me.. Saying that i have to sit down and listen for nearly 90mins..
    There’s this angry man was shouting angrily & he did mention abt “there’s this man name Melvin said there’s a free 3gift and bla bla” and there’s this man said that u can even report police,and we can actually ask the supervisor fired him or ask to pay ur compensation….” den the in charge compensate them $50 Ntuc voucher..
    I gt shock and stunt I stood there nearly 5mins and think should I fill up…den I saw this Malay couple..and ask them “are u coming here for the things that there mention” den they say “yes” so I juz fill up the form..sit for nearly 10mins…the receptionist girl cal me and said “u don’t have To attend the things then she gave me this $1000 of paper voucher & one for one cruise paper voucher and free make over… And ask me to leave…

    I still confuse and google abt “idiscovery” and got the this blog… Gosh is really a spam should listen to my husband at first place.

    • I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

      MR LIEW HEAP HWA
      61 MEYER ROAD
      #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
      S437885

      MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
      61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
      #22-01 BISHAN POINT
      S579653

      It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

      Sin needs to be paid for.

  52. Hi all,

    Lucky for this web page. I received the call this afternoon too. His name is Melvin Lim too. He claimed that no terms and condition, must come alone confirm 3 gifts (hp of your choice, 1 for 1 cruise, thailand 5stars hotel accommodation) plus mystery gift. He even told me that he is off tomorrow but will come back because I m coming down. He got his supervisor to talk to me to confirm. I told them to SMS me the location but they never did.

    Their location is at dohby ghaut too. Office number is 6836 5415.

    • Hi all,

      Just wanna to share more. I do not feel comfortable to pick up the call. Maybe I am afraid that he will scream or scold me on the phone.

      This Melvin sms me in the Sat Afternoon:
      ” Call me leh urgent” : I replied to asked who is it and told him unable to pick up call.

      “Melvin here, later the appointment you come before 3.30pm can. I m already down here doing some preparation for you. All your gift has been process out ready for collection. Today suppose to be my off day I came back all the way just to attend to you personally.”: I replied him that he is supposed to sms me the location which he never and now I cant go down. He keep on calling me but I did not pick up.

      “Ms you never cone I have to pay for a penalty charge of $50. All gifts is process under your name not transferable please do me a small favour can. We are not the staff here from the sponsor. Haiz next time dont confirm if you can’t make it. Wasted my weekend. Now I have to go come back to work tomorrow again”: I ignored him

      This Melvin very determined. Call my number again in the evening and my sis accidentally picked it up. He was quite rude to my sister.

  53. Hi All,

    I have too receive the call from this lady call Bell. Lame lady. Spending 15mins talking on the phone.
    Keeping saying no obligation, no need to pay. So I tested her, asking so what do i need to pay? She very smart, act blur saying that she is puzzled why i am asking her why I need to pay anything as the gifts are free. I just feel uncomfortable. So just obliged to come but thank you for the comments here. Save my time from these nonsense.

    Then when she say when I come, I can look for her, but don’t bring a bell or touch her bells. Lame lame lame. Just to end off, i just agreed to come and she pass to her so call manager call Ms Rina. Blah Blah, she say if i m lost call their office number 6836 7525. Regency House, Saying somewhere near the temple, what Chicago University. Anyway, thanks for the sharing. Hallelujah.

  54. Hi,
    I received the call today. And I made a police report already after googling abt it and found it a scam.

    Details as follows:
    -Calls himself David from IPG Travel (Tel: 68367537).
    -Everything is similar to all those mentioned.
    -Promised to not be a timeshare sales talk etc.
    -Mentioned the 3 free door gifts.
    -Has all my personal particulars already – which is scary.
    -Some mini NATAS travel exhibit also, about 90mins to browse and for him to explain to me.

    After I said I’ll go down, he asked his supervisor to give speak to me as a verification. Supervisor (which I highly suspect is a bogus, prob a colleague) Melvin spoke to me, also stressed that actually is David’s off day, ask him to come back specially for me.

    I forewarned David that I am a Self-employed investor(which he actually already have this information), plus formally educated in the Tourism industry. I will read n gather the travel information, dun need him to go thru with me, plus I am in the investment industry – will not take sales gimmicks as investment.
    David offered to sms me the full address with postal code, but did not. I tried calling back the number, no answer. Googled the telephone number and “Regency Tower 03-15” and found it’s a scam, made police report at nearest NPP.

    But since I didnt go down, I have not lost “suffered any losses”, they will only keep the report for record purposes. DAMN IT! Those who did went down, Please go and make a police report and make sure an investigation is going on! I have had enough of these scams!!! I actually bother to spend 45mins infront of the officer on duty to draft my report, please also do a gd deed and report these pple.

    I have a good feel to go down tmr and see the place. Then I will make a report again!
    30 April 2011 – 2pm at Regency Tower Level 3.

    • Hi Soya,
      I was there on 27 April in the evening and I actually bought in on their scam! I talked to a ‘Sherman’ and the manager called ‘Stewart’ and got conned into buying the 10 year plan. How do I go about complaining a report? I feel so cheated. but wonder if it’s too late to act on it?

      • I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors
         
        MR LIEW HEAP HWA
        61 MEYER ROAD
        #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
        S437885
         
        MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
        61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
        #22-01 BISHAN POINT
        S579653
         
        It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.
         
        Sin needs to be paid for.

    • Hi Soya

      This blog is God sent! I, too, just received a call from Melvin, just now.  Sure, not wasting my time going there.

      Thanks a million.

  55. This is my first visit on this site and it’s good information for me. I have never faced this type of problem. Thanks for sharing this type of knowledgeable information.

  56. hi…guess what! the address provided it’s an online address hosting provider! There are sites provided to online firms to use but they are not real adds!

  57. hi…guess what! the address provided it’s an online address hosting provider! There are sites provided to online firms to use but they are not real adds!

  58. yes. Although it looks like a scam, but is it really? I wonder if anyone has used it? Base on the 10 year trial plan at $10,000, it easily breaks even if you travel far. 10 free nights would easily cover $1000-2000 of the costs already. Air tickets….

    I was tempted to buy but didn’t due to money constraints. However, to be able to hold at Regency House, they are sure making good money. For last 13 years as I was told? If it’s a scam and having been around for so long, they would have gotten police report already?

    Is it really a scam? Doesn’t mean that giving away freebies would mean scam? It’s a marketing effort to draw people down. The freebie – phone was presented to me for real, though I chose the voucher instead. Anyone payed $10 to utilize the vouchers yet? Please let me know!

    • I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

      MR LIEW HEAP HWA
      61 MEYER ROAD
      #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
      S437885

      MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
      61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
      #22-01 BISHAN POINT
      S579653

      It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

      Sin needs to be paid for.

  59. yes. Although it looks like a scam, but is it really? I wonder if anyone has used it? Base on the 10 year trial plan at $10,000, it easily breaks even if you travel far. 10 free nights would easily cover $1000-2000 of the costs already. Air tickets….

    I was tempted to buy but didn’t due to money constraints. However, to be able to hold at Regency House, they are sure making good money. For last 13 years as I was told? If it’s a scam and having been around for so long, they would have gotten police report already?

    Is it really a scam? Doesn’t mean that giving away freebies would mean scam? It’s a marketing effort to draw people down. The freebie – phone was presented to me for real, though I chose the voucher instead. Anyone payed $10 to utilize the vouchers yet? Please let me know!

  60. yes. Although it looks like a scam, but is it really? I wonder if anyone has used it? Base on the 10 year trial plan at $10,000, it easily breaks even if you travel far. 10 free nights would easily cover $1000-2000 of the costs already. Air tickets….

    I was tempted to buy but didn’t due to money constraints. However, to be able to hold at Regency House, they are sure making good money. For last 13 years as I was told? If it’s a scam and having been around for so long, they would have gotten police report already?

    Is it really a scam? Doesn’t mean that giving away freebies would mean scam? It’s a marketing effort to draw people down. The freebie – phone was presented to me for real, though I chose the voucher instead. Anyone payed $10 to utilize the vouchers yet? Please let me know!

  61. Aprilia_extrema

    Idiscover really sucks big time. I wan cancel policy within the free look period and now they pushing here and there. Since 10 may till now still no news. Anyone face same problem can contact me at 93841541. I am getting those ppl who have problem with them to come together and report this to the authority.

    • I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors
       
      MR LIEW HEAP HWA
      61 MEYER ROAD
      #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
      S437885
       
      MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
      61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
      #22-01 BISHAN POINT
      S579653
       
      It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.
       
      Sin needs to be paid for.

  62. I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

    MR LIEW HEAP HWA
    61 MEYER ROAD
    #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
    S437885

    MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
    61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
    #22-01 BISHAN POINT
    S579653

    It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

    Sin needs to be paid for.

  63. I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

    MR LIEW HEAP HWA
    61 MEYER ROAD
    #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
    S437885

    MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
    61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
    #22-01 BISHAN POINT
    S579653

    It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

    Sin needs to be paid for.

  64. I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

    MR LIEW HEAP HWA
    61 MEYER ROAD
    #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
    S437885

    MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
    61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
    #22-01 BISHAN POINT
    S579653

    It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

    Sin needs to be paid for.

    • Pls contact me and we go to report police and suit them. Me also cheted by them. All the Victer and coorporate and ask for our jusice.

      • I encountered these for my first few bookings.1. Unable to get the hotels we wanted and suggested some others, many of them 3 stars…blah blah.2. Hidden cost needed to pay upon checking in hotel…etc.3. USD exchange rate way above current market rate (now 1.26, yet they quoted 1.4)4. Customer service did not reply or ack our email request until we kept calling to pester them.5. Their hotel rates are not competitive, as we are able to find other cheaper rate for same hotel online.6. Most of the hotel they quoted do not include breakfast.Sam, please accept my facebook invitation. Cliff

      • hi sam and all, pls be united to get back our $$$$. pls contact me at 9238 8183. my name is ann…. a victim…

        • Hi Ann, I just wanted to know have you got your money back??? Bcos I have been victimized by them and they have been cheating my money and I have been struggling to pay my credit card payments. I was con by their con-man sales person by the name of Calvin, I inititally told him I am not keen he kept using his sales pushing tactics to close sales, he said he would help me to ease the financial burden by introducing people who are interested in air tickets and hotel accommodation through my membership, they will pay me the money to cover back the monthly credit card payment. But this person is a fraud, initially i tried calling him he often find excuses he is busy with client and he will get back to me but after sometime I tried to call his number he did not pick up his phone to answer my call.  I have been paying money to them through the credit cards, and i still owe them balance of 9 K which is due in June 2012, I am very worry and don’t what to do now.
          my name is Jeremy, my email is jeremywcs@singnet.com.sg

  65. I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

    MR LIEW HEAP HWA
    61 MEYER ROAD
    #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
    S437885

    MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
    61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
    #22-01 BISHAN POINT
    S579653

    It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

    Sin needs to be paid for.

  66. I recently got cheated by them too. But at least I’ve the addresses of the directors

    MR LIEW HEAP HWA
    61 MEYER ROAD
    #19-03 ATRIA AT MEYER
    S437885

    MR TAN KIM HUAT JERRY
    61 BRIGHT HILL DRIVE
    #22-01 BISHAN POINT
    S579653

    It’s real address. Dun ask me how I get it.

    Sin needs to be paid for.

  67. Hi, I just got a call from David Wong earlier today. Also mentioned that it’s a follow up from a survey I did last week on CC. Told me that he was from ITG (International Travel Group) and the office is at Regency Tower level 3. Contact number given was 6836-5635.

    Yakked about giving me 3 door gifts because I helped them on the survey last week.
    Same items listed as those posted below. 1) $500 handphone (LG/Motorola/Nokia/etc) or $500 shopping voucher with no expiry 2) 1-1 cruise voucher with no restriction on how many vouchers i can buy 3) 8D 5 star hotel stay in Thailand..

    Now comes the best part, if I can go down today or tomorrow I can get 4th gift which is another $500 home theater system. Reason why they want us to go today and tomorrow cause it’s mini opening for the LUCKY 30 couples and reward us as early birds.

    Same talk about it not being Timeshare program, not obligated to pay for the gifts, just need to listen to them explain how to use the shopping voucher, how to transfer the cruise vouchers to friends/family and bring back some brochures to help them promote the company. All these within 90 minutes and even promoted that there are limitless refreshments for us to enjoy.

    I told David straight, it sounds too good to be true. Then he tried to talk and convince that it’s a mini advert effort by the company to promote themselves. Saying if response good then they will open up to public so now I am one of the few lucky ones getting it first.

    Gave the reason that I can’t attend cause hubby working hours not fixed. David said to check with hubby and call them back. After the call, obviously I Googled and found this site.
    Thanks a lot!

  68. Hi, Thanks to your blogs, I saved time instead of wasting my time going down for the scam…
    So would like to contribute here to increase awareness..

    Just received a call from a guy called Andy.
    His Office number is 68367527
    Hotline: 68368127
    HP is 83722594.

    Company Name: T.G INFINITY (T.T.C Travel Group)

    He SMS me the Address as follows:
    123 Penang Rd, Regency House, #03-15

    Hope this blog will remain to increaseawareness

    Date: 9th June 2011

  69. 3 months ago I attended and bought into the 10 year plan – $8000, payable 24 months by credit card.
    The 5 days cooling off period was not made known but inserted into the package of document discreetly.
    Tried checking on2  flight  destinations and prices were not attractive. Same as what I have checked with Zuiji …
    Eventually made arrangement to terminate the contract, and was given a letter to teminate and 2 months to get back the $8000 in full .
    Have paid $5 to get their company profile from ACRA ( guess Abc got the info of the directors )
    Worried and loon and kept to my side of agreement for 2 months, and eventually called them for payment.
    Was pushed around for 2 days, and finally told them if I dun get the payment I will make a report. ( Got letter in hand)
    That same evening the staff called to tell me to collect the cheque.
    Next day collected the cheque of $8000 ( no less ), and it was dated a month earlier.
    After banking the cheque – still worried ( may bounce or not)
    Finally cheque was cleared and very very relieved.
    This must a ponzi scheme – taking new members’ monies to subsidize existing and frequently travellers needs.
    Just matters of time, no more new  monies coming in, then problems will surface and the directors will lari kuat kuat
    Hi  Aprilia_extrema – spoken to you before – managed to cancel and get the refund 

    • HI , i recently got the same deal as you? can tell me what u did to get back ethe money?

    • HI , i recently got the same deal as you? can tell me what u did to get back ethe money?

      • Hi, some as me can we all(whe ever cheated by them) cooporate and make this issue big. them let the media know what the idoit company they are.

    • Aprilia_extrema

      Bro, still not yet. They are a bunch of idiot . Using delay tactics. Guess will be going to their office soon to make a big one. Btw I had change num to 92999926

  70. I received a similar call too. Caller Id show 68361895
    Great sharing

  71. Justin, thanks for sharing this blog that saved so many potential victims.  Have wrote you an email on Tuesday can you please respond to me as I’m another victim and am not as lucky as Steven to get back his refund as iDiscover is making things difficult for me.  Tried to call Aprilia_extrema but the number is no longer in use.

  72. Justin, thanks for sharing this blog that saved so many potential victims.  Have wrote you an email on Tuesday can you please respond to me as I’m another victim and am not as lucky as Steven to get back his refund as iDiscover is making things difficult for me.  Tried to call Aprilia_extrema but the number is no longer in use.

  73. Yes agree that the authority should do something about this.  There are just too many victims !

  74. Teo, since you have experienced the ‘goodness’ in the membership, perhaps you can show us how you have benefited over the 2 years in your San francisco, Paris and Hong Kong trips with calculations of How much you have paid, what kind of airline and hotel did you stay for how many pax?

  75. Teo, since you have experienced the ‘goodness’ in the membership, perhaps you can show us how you have benefited over the 2 years in your San francisco, Paris and Hong Kong trips with calculations of how much you have paid, what kind of airline and hotel did you stay and for how many pax?

  76. i also just came out from tt place.. really waste of my time.

    BEWARE OF THEIR NEW TACTIC
    they dont tell you the exact address, only sms me the direction from dhoby ghaut park mall. I am sure they are worried we would google their address and found this blog.

  77. just got a call today. exact scenario from what others had described. caller was melvin lim, number was 68874983, office is at penang road. offer me 3 gifts and a mystery gift if i go down today or tomorrow.

    was on the phone with him when i goggled the company name he gave me and lo and behold, i came across this blog.

    he is supposed to call me in 30mins time to confirm if i’m going down anot. am wondering now if i should give him a piece of my mind for wasting my time.

  78. Just admit it Teo, u are Melvin right? Stop pretending u crook!

  79. Anyone has any idea that we can get them to refund the payment we made so far and terminate the membership?

  80. Aprilia_extrema

    To all ppl who had been cheated by this company and wan some justice to be done pls call me at 92999926. I waited for two month and yet my refund not in yet. Call them all busy and away. Went to office say cheque not ready. Guys if those face similar issue, pls feel free to call or SMS me. The more the better. Thinking of going to the press if a number of guys got this treatment

    • hi to all, pls join forces to get our hard earn money back. pls contact me 9238 8183. they are suing me of the balance of $ 17k that i have not even use any. i’ve return the contract on the cooling off period and that was back in nov 2009. only last week 2 nov 2011 than i receive a letter from their lawyer.. pls pls we need to be united to take these evil ppl down. thank you all.

  81. Didnt do my homework and got scammed 1mth + ago…i paid haf the price in installment for 2years.They mention that we can do resale if we want at the meeting later when i found out its a scam i called them saying i want to do resale den they tell me need to make full payment.%^$*&^The manager Belinda never tell me this part!! They also mention can do rental,i asked for the websites to register for the rental close to 2 mths they cant even provide me with the links..anyone got any idea how we can deal with these scumbags?

  82. Thanks for documenting everything! They are still doing whatever they are doing.

    Called my bf yesterday, and he said ok cos he was tempted by the freebies. When i told him to cancel the appointment later that afternoon, Pamela started using blackmail: “is this how u make appointments in yr work as a doctor? Say ok and then cancel last min?”.. “this is my ricebowl!”.. Etc etc crap, and refuse to give the exact address and name of her company.

    Dodgy AND annoying.

    Thanks for saving our time and energy:)

  83. Thanks for documenting everything! They are still doing whatever they are doing.

    Called my bf yesterday, and he said ok cos he was tempted by the freebies. When i told him to cancel the appointment later that afternoon, Pamela started using blackmail: “is this how u make appointments in yr work as a doctor? Say ok and then cancel last min?”.. “this is my ricebowl!”.. Etc etc crap, and refuse to give the exact address and name of her company.

    Dodgy AND annoying.

    Thanks for saving our time and energy:)

  84. OMG!!! That David just called me on my hp! Good thing my hubby googled and found this site.
    Thanks a lot!

  85. Thanks for sharing this blog, I had received a call from this number 6887 4983 too….being cautious not to reply unknown numbers i decided to google and read through this blog soon after I received the call again …after listening to the sales speech trying to entice me with FREE HANDPHONE!!! I commented “this is a scam” and hang the phone… the guy was so persistant kept calling back 7 times i ignore it entirely.

  86. Hi thanks for sharing.

    Answered the call once and David promised to call after I have discussed with my hubby. I was too swamped with work when my phone got bombed 6times by the same number 6836-0916.

    I’m glad I caught the company name and managed to find this page.

  87. Recent numbers list for unsuspecting victims.

    Katty (Gender Unknown)  / Andrew (the supervisor)
    Starhub Mobile 81460158
    Concealed answering centre : 68361895
    Front Desk at Level 3 : 6737 8838
    Also will call from an “Unknown number” to reject you or annoy you.

    Seen in the lobby of Regency House, Office tower > #03-12, iDiscovery 
    iDiscover International Pte Ltd (Registration 2009)
    “discover international” Signboard inside office. “i” was stuck over with a picture.  

    Jerry Tan
    Director
    9730 3309

    2 Domain owned by Taac Solutions Pte Ltd
    idiscover-intl.com registered Feb 6, 2009

    http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=41518925
    http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/regency-house-www-shoppingspreeforyou-com-scam-c23538.html
    http://www.mobinauts.com/topic/81717-beware-of-globaltrenddiscovery8discovery-cruise/
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080311092652AApmHtZ

  88. Recent numbers list for unsuspecting victims.

    Katty (Gender Unknown)  / Andrew (the supervisor)
    Starhub Mobile 81460158
    Concealed answering centre : 68361895
    Front Desk at Level 3 : 6737 8838
    Also will call from an “Unknown number” to reject you or annoy you.

    Seen in the lobby of Regency House, Office tower > #03-12, iDiscovery 
    iDiscover International Pte Ltd (Registration 2009)
    “discover international” Signboard inside office. “i” was stuck over with a picture.  

    Jerry Tan
    Director
    9730 3309

    2 Domain owned by Taac Solutions Pte Ltd
    idiscover-intl.com registered Feb 6, 2009

    http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=41518925
    http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/regency-house-www-shoppingspreeforyou-com-scam-c23538.html
    http://www.mobinauts.com/topic/81717-beware-of-globaltrenddiscovery8discovery-cruise/
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080311092652AApmHtZ

  89. ok. Let me update you guys. the new telephone number is 6235 1791. Went for the same thing, where they promised you 3 gifts, a lady to convince you that their package is good. I think overall, it was not a bad experience. Ironically, i find it quite interesting and amusing looking at these people trying all ways and means to convince you while I give them the kinda want and dont want reactions. You know the fishing kinda feeling.. Well of course, i didnt fall for their ploy. LOL!

    • I just got a call today from this same company saying its like a small NATAS travel fair. Now the company is called ANC travel. I am not going.

  90. My advice is to file with SCT (Small Case Tribunal) for full refund and cancellation.  I won and got back my full refund.  Justice prevails !

  91. Orchard Scam Hater

    Surprisingly this scam still operates up to this day around orchard area. I remember I went to a time-share holiday package 7-8 years ago. Using the same tactic, after unable to convince you the first round and the salesman called up “the manager in charge” to talk you up further. The manager never disclose an actual amount of the holiday package but ask you to quote a “reasonable” price you are willing to pay.
    I was called up again for this kind of scam yesterday. This time they hired some china girl to call you up to do a short survey few weeks before, trying to ask as much information as possible until you find it fishy and hanged up. Later on (yesterday) you got another call that you have been picked as the “Lucky 20 winners” for 3 free gifts- a mobile phone (voucher), 1 to 1 holiday cruise and a 8D7N holiday package in Thailand.Andy called me up yesterday, first trying to verify my answers from “previous survey”, then proceeding to convince me that he is not from any time-share holiday agency. The conversation actually last for more than 10 minutes with various reassurance of “not being a time-share holiday package”, no hard selling and actually I find him sound really nice and down-to-earth. He even use personal gesture that actually he has to come back for work on a Sunday for this presentation and hope both parties would “stick to the plan”. During the conversation he asked for 80 minutes of my time to stay put for the full presentation in order to get the free gift.Andy claimed that he is from S.Y. Infinity. And the event is something like a mini “NATAS” Fair, minus its lack of creditability and totally unable to find more information on the internet besides this blog entry (Thanks to Justin Lee to warn us all).And some of the comments below are quite right nowadays they don’t give out actual address, just a direction from dhoby ghaut MRT to a white/blue building on the 3rd level (absolutely sound like Regency House). They even gave out a hotline (Tel: 6235 6440). I called back and the receptionist answered that she is from “A & E gift collection services” and without much verification that I suddenly become a lucky draw winner with the company. This time I told her I was not interested and hanged up.There are many interesting shopping experience going around orchard, but I am very sure that this is not what you want to be part of it.

  92. Orchard Scam Hater

    Surprisingly this scam still operates up to this day around orchard area. I remember I went to a time-share holiday package 7-8 years ago. Using the same tactic, after unable to convince you the first round and the salesman called up “the manager in charge” to talk you up further. The manager never disclose an actual amount of the holiday package but ask you to quote a “reasonable” price you are willing to pay.
    I was called up again for this kind of scam yesterday. This time they hired some china girl to call you up to do a short survey few weeks before, trying to ask as much information as possible until you find it fishy and hanged up. Later on (yesterday) you got another call that you have been picked as the “Lucky 20 winners” for 3 free gifts- a mobile phone (voucher), 1 to 1 holiday cruise and a 8D7N holiday package in Thailand.Andy called me up yesterday, first trying to verify my answers from “previous survey”, then proceeding to convince me that he is not from any time-share holiday agency. The conversation actually last for more than 10 minutes with various reassurance of “not being a time-share holiday package”, no hard selling and actually I find him sound really nice and down-to-earth. He even use personal gesture that actually he has to come back for work on a Sunday for this presentation and hope both parties would “stick to the plan”. During the conversation he asked for 80 minutes of my time to stay put for the full presentation in order to get the free gift.Andy claimed that he is from S.Y. Infinity. And the event is something like a mini “NATAS” Fair, minus its lack of creditability and totally unable to find more information on the internet besides this blog entry (Thanks to Justin Lee to warn us all).And some of the comments below are quite right nowadays they don’t give out actual address, just a direction from dhoby ghaut MRT to a white/blue building on the 3rd level (absolutely sound like Regency House). They even gave out a hotline (Tel: 6235 6440). I called back and the receptionist answered that she is from “A & E gift collection services” and without much verification that I suddenly become a lucky draw winner with the company. This time I told her I was not interested and hanged up.There are many interesting shopping experience going around orchard, but I am very sure that this is not what you want to be part of it.

  93. As of today, it is still active and operating at Regency.

  94. As of today, it is still active and operating at Regency.

  95. I signed my contract today.. *Big OOPs..*
    But now that I’ve read this blog, I wanna get out before the cooling period runs out.
    Anybody knows how I can do this?

    • we can corporate together as a weness for our suit to them

    • I gave CASE a call and was glad to have their advice to send them my letter of cancellation by registered mail (available at any SingPost outlet) within 5 days from the date of signing the contract. They said my case is straight-forward and should have no problem getting my money back. However, I have yet to collect my money back (the usual delay tactics and its not 60 days yet) and now my credit card bills are starting to chalk up daily accrued interest.. S***.. I have one more week to the full 60 days then I’ll go to small-claims tribunal. Even then, I do not have any guarantee that the credit card company will waive off the interest. This is soooooo screwed!

      Folks, if you received such a call, don’t even go down for the appointment. The old-old Nokia HP they promised is not even worth the price I had to pay to CASE, Small-claims and the Credit Card companies!!!

  96. i sined up with them n im way off the cooling period. is there a way i can get back my money?

  97. i sined up with them n im way off the cooling period. is there a way i can get back my money?

  98. i sined up with them n im way off the cooling period. is there a way i can get back my money?

  99. Thanks for this post! I got a call from Melvin lim too with the exact same 3 free gifts! Except that he called from a blocked number and is operating from the ground floor next to 7-11 at visioncrest building, 3 buildings away from park mall. I was in the vicinity and passed by and their ‘mini Natas fair’ isn’t out in the open of the ground floors but in a closed shop space.

    The telephone he gave me to call is 6733 8157 and he said he would text me so that I will have his number but he didn’t.

  100. Thanks for this post! I got a call from Melvin lim too with the exact same 3 free gifts! Except that he called from a blocked number and is operating from the ground floor next to 7-11 at visioncrest building, 3 buildings away from park mall. I was in the vicinity and passed by and their ‘mini Natas fair’ isn’t out in the open of the ground floors but in a closed shop space.

    The telephone he gave me to call is 6733 8157 and he said he would text me so that I will have his number but he didn’t.

  101. Hi Justin,Posib’e for us to coorporate and suit the company together

  102. Today i just received a phone call from David Wong (from ITG), suppose to meet him this Saturday!
    It sounded too good to be true so I surfed the internet and wanted to find out more, thank god I found this!

  103. Today i just received a phone call from David Wong (from ITG), suppose to meet him this Saturday!
    It sounded too good to be true so I surfed the internet and wanted to find out more, thank god I found this!

  104. Today i just received a phone call from David Wong (from ITG), suppose to meet him this Saturday!
    It sounded too good to be true so I surfed the internet and wanted to find out more, thank god I found this!

  105. Anyone been Scam by IDiscover ? contract me this number 8158-1278
    Need help to solve this issue. i have brought this since JAN 2011. Anyone want join to report case?

  106. Thanks for sharing your experience.
    I just got a call from this same scam company and same location. They have just changed the free gifts.

  107. doilooklikeaschmucktoyou

    Thanks for putting up the post. I had some calls recently from them as well. A woman called, saying that she was from A & C Advertising and
    calling on behalf of her sponsor (what does that even mean) TTC, and she
    went on and on about a free mobile phone or a $500 gift voucher that is
    valid for pretty much everything under the sun, and other travel deals. Oh, puh-lease. Nothing ever comes that easy.
    Anyway she also described the thing as a ‘mini NATAS fair’, and was similarly
    vague about the building. She refused to give the address, but said that it is in Visionquest,
    which is a white/blue building three buildings away from Park Mall. I
    didn’t pay much attention to the details of the fantastic gifts she was blahblah-ing about, since I was googling for all
    the information I could find and came across this page. I asked for the name of her company and whether they had a website and she said that it was still in development, which is simply silly. I tried searching for companies with the name TTC in Singapore, and the only one I could find was TTC Marketing & Promotions Pte Ltd and it’s address is an HDB block in Ang Mo Kio. Like, really?

    I wish some people would get real jobs instead of trying to con people into giving up their hard-earned money. The shame.

  108. Received the same call today. Lucky i googled and found your blog. tks for the warning. Seems they keep changing names, they told me they are marketing agency for International Travel Group (ITG).

  109. Received the same call today. Lucky i googled and found your blog. tks for the warning. Seems they keep changing names, they told me they are marketing agency for International Travel Group (ITG).

  110. Received the same call today. Lucky i googled and found your blog. tks for the warning. Seems they keep changing names, they told me they are marketing agency for International Travel Group (ITG).

  111. Received the same call today. Lucky i googled and found your blog. tks for the warning. Seems they keep changing names, they told me they are marketing agency for International Travel Group (ITG).

  112. Received the same call today. Lucky i googled and found your blog. tks for the warning. Seems they keep changing names, they told me they are marketing agency for International Travel Group (ITG).

  113. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  114. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  115. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  116. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  117. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  118. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  119. Thanks for sharing, i’ve got the call from them today too! The office is in VisionCrest!

  120. Hi ppl, i sign up for the package 28nov 09, but return within 5 days cooling off period. now than i receive a letter from there solicitor claiming for $ 17 000. I need some advice from ppl who were cheated by them before. today 8 nov 2011, i’ll be gg to their office to ‘ settle things” please pray for me. thanks.

  121. Guys, looking at so many of us facing difficulty getting our money back.. I would suggest everyone to lodge your complaints with Commercial Affairs Department. They are the only ones with legal power to make an investigation. You can ask to speak with the Duty Officer as I had done during the days of my cooling period. (I still have 6 more days before my cancellation is 60 days old, signed contract on 10 Sep, sent registered letter to cancel on 14 Sep)

    However, CAD’s stand is this:
    1) Their marketing strategy aka using free phones, holiday trips, shopping vouchers, etc. that we call scam is perfectly legal. They are not breaking any law here.
    2) If we cancel within 5 days of the cooling period, iDiscover has up to 60 days to reimburse our money (this is the Fair Trade Agreement law which gives them the right to do so). As long as it is within 60 days, how soon they reimburse the money to you is up to their ‘house-rules’, still no law being broken here.
    3) If you cancel after the cooling period, the law cannot protect you anymore, and any settlement would depend on the company’s ‘grace’. I’m not saying it is not impossible here, you guys just have to get in touch with others who were able to do so.
    4) There is a criminal offence only if iDiscover fail to live up to its contractual terms, like promising hotel rooms in a certain hotel but actually no agreement was made with that hotel, for example. But I suppose if enough people lodge many complaints against that company about lousy service or failure to provide the hotels that you wanted, that might launch an investigation too. Otherwise, anybody here whose MP is the Minister of Home Affairs?

    Hope this info is useful to everyone who’s hard-earned money is stuck with this #$%$^% company!

    • CAD Hotline: 1800-325 0000

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

      • I think I have also just been conned. Sign up anout 10 days ago. They used my credit card to swipe $9500. Asked me to register another credit card of another bank which provide 0% loan and swap the $9500. I think is another new tactic to con people.

        Now I ask them to provide me the website of the hotel rental which they promise but cannot provide me…what can I do?

  122. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  123. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  124. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  125. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  126. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  127. hi all, just check in to see how’s the going, i was at regency last nite, scream at the son of a bitch  sales person ( Calvin, the indian guy )  who attend to me 2 years ago and chase him out of the meeting room. he had ask me to report the case or i take up their other option is to purchase another program from them!!!! and then spoke to the customer service guy, adrain. the last resort they offer me is cancellation without getting back my 2k. i told him i want to consider and will give him an answer by latest friday.

    megawinks, i have all the evident i have in recording, sms and even email that i went to the office to return the contract within the cooling off… ( they din let me sign any withdraw letter that i was not advice when i was there. the stupid arsh manager jeffery chia tel number 81241241. just simply take down some stupid note and offer me to take up another program. so being gulliable, i just tot that i return the contract thats all.

    (think they change their number very frequent to avoid detection.)

    luckily i do have all the recording with them and they acknowledge that i have return the contract within the cooling off period.

    think of contacting the media and let them report. so guys pls be united. we must bring them down.

  128. to those who are working for idiscover and is looking at our post now!!! and is cheating ppl of  their hard earn money, blood and sweat………..MAY U ALL BURN IN HELL!!!!
    be more careful when u cross the road, eat properly dun get choke, watch out for your retribution. is coming after u.

  129. I got a call from them last month and today. Same tactics and claimed that she is calling from on behalf of FY services. When I asked what her company does, she refuse to tell me and went on to say that she doesnt want me to come to her office because her office has no free gifts and she is only calling on behalf of FY services. This sounded very fishy to me because which legitimate PR company will not tell you what is the name of their company and to assume that customers are stupid to go down to the PR company for free gifts is ridiculous. I kept asking and finally she said “I have an overseas call” and she bloody hung up on me.  So rude. I posted this on my FB and thankfully my friends told me about this blog. I called back “sally’s” mobile number with my private number and she refused to utter a word (fishy again) only kept “um…um…um….”. But the voice sounded exactly like the rude auntie who harassed me.

  130. I got a call from them last month and today. Same tactics and claimed that she is calling from on behalf of FY services. When I asked what her company does, she refuse to tell me and went on to say that she doesnt want me to come to her office because her office has no free gifts and she is only calling on behalf of FY services. This sounded very fishy to me because which legitimate PR company will not tell you what is the name of their company and to assume that customers are stupid to go down to the PR company for free gifts is ridiculous. I kept asking and finally she said “I have an overseas call” and she bloody hung up on me.  So rude. I posted this on my FB and thankfully my friends told me about this blog. I called back “sally’s” mobile number with my private number and she refused to utter a word (fishy again) only kept “um…um…um….”. But the voice sounded exactly like the rude auntie who harassed me.

  131. I got a call from them last month and today. Same tactics and claimed that she is calling from on behalf of FY services. When I asked what her company does, she refuse to tell me and went on to say that she doesnt want me to come to her office because her office has no free gifts and she is only calling on behalf of FY services. This sounded very fishy to me because which legitimate PR company will not tell you what is the name of their company and to assume that customers are stupid to go down to the PR company for free gifts is ridiculous. I kept asking and finally she said “I have an overseas call” and she bloody hung up on me.  So rude. I posted this on my FB and thankfully my friends told me about this blog. I called back “sally’s” mobile number with my private number and she refused to utter a word (fishy again) only kept “um…um…um….”. But the voice sounded exactly like the rude auntie who harassed me.

  132. I got the call too. Thanks for the info. Same 3 gifts. Hand phone or 500 shopping voucher or diamond pendant. One for one cruise. And trip to Thailand I think. Tell me to go down to a fair near Penang road.

  133. I got the call too. Thanks for the info. Same 3 gifts. Hand phone or 500 shopping voucher or diamond pendant. One for one cruise. And trip to Thailand I think. Tell me to go down to a fair near Penang road.

  134. I got the call too. Thanks for the info. Same 3 gifts. Hand phone or 500 shopping voucher or diamond pendant. One for one cruise. And trip to Thailand I think. Tell me to go down to a fair near Penang road.

  135. I got the call too. Thanks for the info. Same 3 gifts. Hand phone or 500 shopping voucher or diamond pendant. One for one cruise. And trip to Thailand I think. Tell me to go down to a fair near Penang road.

  136. Hi all,

    I’m so glad that I googled and found this blog! I’ve just received a call from Melvin Lim (blocked number). Told me the same 3 free gifts (either hp or $500 voucher), thailand stay and 1 for 1 cruise. He said tomorrow is the first day for collection, told me to go to Crest Building (VisionCrest), go to the fair for 80mins then I can redeem the voucher. At the end of the call the supervisor (lady) confirmed my date and timing.  So tomorrow between 6.30pm to 8.15pm anytime. It’s really fishy right…

    Anyway I have confirmed the appointement but not going down, waste their effort!!!

    Bad people!!!!!

  137. Hi all,

    I’m so glad that I googled and found this blog! I’ve just received a call from Melvin Lim (blocked number). Told me the same 3 free gifts (either hp or $500 voucher), thailand stay and 1 for 1 cruise. He said tomorrow is the first day for collection, told me to go to Crest Building (VisionCrest), go to the fair for 80mins then I can redeem the voucher. At the end of the call the supervisor (lady) confirmed my date and timing.  So tomorrow between 6.30pm to 8.15pm anytime. It’s really fishy right…

    Anyway I have confirmed the appointement but not going down, waste their effort!!!

    Bad people!!!!!

    • I got a similar call today.. Can’t believe they used the same story from years back.. Same tactic.. I did not confirm an appointment.. But I guess I won’t be calling them back.. The guy who called me was David and his no is 62359757. The building was VisionCrest.

  138. I just received a call from Pamela saying she is from A&C, a company that organises fairs similiar to Natas fair. she mentioned I did a credit card survey and have been chosen as part of 20 lucky winners for 3 door gifts, first a $500 voucher for nokia phone, second a 8d7n stay in any hotel in Thailand and thirdly, a 1 for 1 cruise. her number is 62358969. she asked if i can make it at 2pm at her address which i kept asking for the block but she didn’t want to give but kept giving instructions from this building to that and so forth, turn left or right. Told her I need to check my schedule and she asked me to call her back within 5 mins. after seeing your website on their similiar operandi, Idecided not to call her back and wait for her call. when she did, I told her, ‘I did a check on your company is a scam. don’t waste my time.’.

  139. I just received a call from Pamela saying she is from A&C, a company that organises fairs similiar to Natas fair. she mentioned I did a credit card survey and have been chosen as part of 20 lucky winners for 3 door gifts, first a $500 voucher for nokia phone, second a 8d7n stay in any hotel in Thailand and thirdly, a 1 for 1 cruise. her number is 62358969. she asked if i can make it at 2pm at her address which i kept asking for the block but she didn’t want to give but kept giving instructions from this building to that and so forth, turn left or right. Told her I need to check my schedule and she asked me to call her back within 5 mins. after seeing your website on their similiar operandi, Idecided not to call her back and wait for her call. when she did, I told her, ‘I did a check on your company is a scam. don’t waste my time.’.

  140. i got same call today.. from Andy Tan about some CC survey i took last week (i remember some lady call me up from a&c or a&z for credit card survey). He told me about free gift similar to that everyone here has mentioned 1) handphone 2)cruise 1 for 1 3)trip to thailand and if i make it today after office hour i will even get a diamond pendant worth $199. Must be damn small diamon huh.
    He didnt give me the real address but i insist to give me the postcode which he did. the postcode given was 238645 and after googling around i came to this blog. Thanks so much to the writer for bring this up which help lots of ppl time and money. According to Andy their hotline is 6235 8969 and their company is TTC Travel Group.

  141. i got same call today.. from Andy Tan about some CC survey i took last week (i remember some lady call me up from a&c or a&z for credit card survey). He told me about free gift similar to that everyone here has mentioned 1) handphone 2)cruise 1 for 1 3)trip to thailand and if i make it today after office hour i will even get a diamond pendant worth $199. Must be damn small diamon huh.
    He didnt give me the real address but i insist to give me the postcode which he did. the postcode given was 238645 and after googling around i came to this blog. Thanks so much to the writer for bring this up which help lots of ppl time and money. According to Andy their hotline is 6235 8969 and their company is TTC Travel Group.

  142. i got same call today.. from Andy Tan about some CC survey i took last week (i remember some lady call me up from a&c or a&z for credit card survey). He told me about free gift similar to that everyone here has mentioned 1) handphone 2)cruise 1 for 1 3)trip to thailand and if i make it today after office hour i will even get a diamond pendant worth $199. Must be damn small diamon huh.
    He didnt give me the real address but i insist to give me the postcode which he did. the postcode given was 238645 and after googling around i came to this blog. Thanks so much to the writer for bring this up which help lots of ppl time and money. According to Andy their hotline is 6235 8969 and their company is TTC Travel Group.

  143. i got same call today.. from Andy Tan about some CC survey i took last week (i remember some lady call me up from a&c or a&z for credit card survey). He told me about free gift similar to that everyone here has mentioned 1) handphone 2)cruise 1 for 1 3)trip to thailand and if i make it today after office hour i will even get a diamond pendant worth $199. Must be damn small diamon huh.
    He didnt give me the real address but i insist to give me the postcode which he did. the postcode given was 238645 and after googling around i came to this blog. Thanks so much to the writer for bring this up which help lots of ppl time and money. According to Andy their hotline is 6235 8969 and their company is TTC Travel Group.

  144. Wow. I just received a phone call from A&C advertisiing. Was thinking to check and see if it’s a scam before i agree to anything. I wonder where they get my information from.

    Anyway, didn’t get his name. Maybe still the Melvin.
    He told me he’s from A&C Advertising/Marketing.
    In appreciation of the CC survey (which i do not remember doing!!!)
    No obligations, no terms and conditions.
    Prizes are
    1) Handphone or $500 shopping voucher
    2) 1-for-1 cruise
    2) 8-day max stay for 5-star HOtel in thailand.

    I told them im not free (cause in doubt).

  145. Wow. I just received a phone call from A&C advertisiing. Was thinking to check and see if it’s a scam before i agree to anything. I wonder where they get my information from.

    Anyway, didn’t get his name. Maybe still the Melvin.
    He told me he’s from A&C Advertising/Marketing.
    In appreciation of the CC survey (which i do not remember doing!!!)
    No obligations, no terms and conditions.
    Prizes are
    1) Handphone or $500 shopping voucher
    2) 1-for-1 cruise
    2) 8-day max stay for 5-star HOtel in thailand.

    I told them im not free (cause in doubt).

  146. Wow. I just received a phone call from A&C advertisiing. Was thinking to check and see if it’s a scam before i agree to anything. I wonder where they get my information from.

    Anyway, didn’t get his name. Maybe still the Melvin.
    He told me he’s from A&C Advertising/Marketing.
    In appreciation of the CC survey (which i do not remember doing!!!)
    No obligations, no terms and conditions.
    Prizes are
    1) Handphone or $500 shopping voucher
    2) 1-for-1 cruise
    2) 8-day max stay for 5-star HOtel in thailand.

    I told them im not free (cause in doubt).

  147. I actually suggest that anybody getting an invitation to get the gifts, go down and collect. At the same time, hide a pin hole camera in your body and record everything down. This can be very useful in future when it proves that, for example, they don’t have any liasing with some of the hotels but they claim they have. It is also useful as other evidence. The fact they know somebody may be recording will also tone down their activities. Once they can’t get more membership, they will have to wind up if it is really a scam.  

  148. I actually suggest that anybody getting an invitation to get the gifts, go down and collect. At the same time, hide a pin hole camera in your body and record everything down. This can be very useful in future when it proves that, for example, they don’t have any liasing with some of the hotels but they claim they have. It is also useful as other evidence. The fact they know somebody may be recording will also tone down their activities. Once they can’t get more membership, they will have to wind up if it is really a scam.  

  149. Here’s the newest.
    same 3 free gifts
    1) phone or $500 shopping vouchor
    2) one for one cruise
    3) one free accomodation to thailand.

    place (sms from the person herself) :
    Dhoby Ghaut exit B, Park mall go straight, fish n Co., singapore shopping centre C n cross the road. universal chicago business school. then a 7-11, we are next to it. you will be able to c when u walk straight along penang road, 62352612, Wendy.

    THE SCAM IS STILL ON!!!

    when i replied her that i won’t be going, after she took half the day to sms me, both herself and her boss, HELEN, called me at the same time.

    Wendy even scolded me saying that i already promise and that i should do her a small favour cos she bothered to explain to me. seriously fucked up.

    BE WARNED PEOPLE!!!

  150. Here’s the newest.
    same 3 free gifts
    1) phone or $500 shopping vouchor
    2) one for one cruise
    3) one free accomodation to thailand.

    place (sms from the person herself) :
    Dhoby Ghaut exit B, Park mall go straight, fish n Co., singapore shopping centre C n cross the road. universal chicago business school. then a 7-11, we are next to it. you will be able to c when u walk straight along penang road, 62352612, Wendy.

    THE SCAM IS STILL ON!!!

    when i replied her that i won’t be going, after she took half the day to sms me, both herself and her boss, HELEN, called me at the same time.

    Wendy even scolded me saying that i already promise and that i should do her a small favour cos she bothered to explain to me. seriously fucked up.

    BE WARNED PEOPLE!!!

    •  Dude thats the same person that called me.
      Thanks for the awareness! I’m not heading down at all.
      No free lunch in this world! Remember this and you won’t be scammed at all 😀

  151. I went down to CASE to make a complain against CMI today. CASE actually just sued another bastard time sharing cam company this month. The officer attending to me told me that if there are enough complaints, it is the ground that they can take legal action.

  152. I went down to CASE to make a complain against CMI today. CASE actually just sued another bastard time sharing cam company this month. The officer attending to me told me that if there are enough complaints, it is the ground that they can take legal action.

  153. I went down to CASE to make a complain against CMI today. CASE actually just sued another bastard time sharing cam company this month. The officer attending to me told me that if there are enough complaints, it is the ground that they can take legal action.

  154. I went down to CASE to make a complain against CMI today. CASE actually just sued another bastard time sharing cam company this month. The officer attending to me told me that if there are enough complaints, it is the ground that they can take legal action.

  155. Just yesterday i got this call from Melvin saying he was from A&C advertising…told me the same story which i won 3 prizes, same like you guys mentioned earlier…definitely it’s too gd to be true…luckily i googled and came across this site…have booked a appt today but im so not goin later…thk god i discovered this early before its was too late…

  156. Hi Justin, thanks for sharing this. I found the following genuine. Your blog is being mentioned. For those interested to take a look. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003335588915

  157. Hellomorninghowdoyoudo

    i signed up and passed cooling time. they swiped my citibank 2500 and applied my DBS bank card and awaiting to get the card to reswipe 6k and unhold my 2500. what should i do if i wanna refund? so far citibank has not charged me yet but the company is holding it. 

    • Hi, how come Citibank has not charged you while they swiped that card? Also, once you receive your DBS card, do not let them swipe it. You will lose 2K + 6K. Help is available with someone similar to your situation but you need to first pass the screening test to be offered full assistance. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003335588915

    • I am in similar situation. You can contact me at kalachakra1234@yahoo.com.

  158. Hi Justin,

    The problem is that it isn’t just because of the maths. It is outright cheating because members can’t even get the saving that they claim during presentation. They didn’t liase with all the hotels that they claim. The problem isn’t with the maths. In fact, the maths they present is very attractive. They present it in a way that not only you can use it yourselves, you can also make money from it. The fact that they mention that the hotel booking is transferable means you can sell it to someone. However, the problem is that they can’t provide cheap hotel booking as they claim. There is not much saving at all. It is cheating because the whole business model is a scheme design to cheat money……no liasing at all to provide cheap hotels.

  159. I’ve always received all these calls, from time to time and I’m already experience in handling them on the phone “”)  Recently some company even call to say they can sell your timeshare.

    As usual they always try to fix an appt with you. I’m alwasy ‘nice’ to them, just like they are alwasy “nice” to you.  I’ll try to play around with them, as I’m free. I’m a housewife (no intention of going down at all !!) Excuses like … call me back later, driving now, then Call me tmr, busy / meeting now, then Call next wk, flying off tmr. Even after appt is confirmed, I’ll not turn up… Hahahah…. Then re-fix, just give any excuses la… cannot find the contract la, last min got to fetch kids la ….etc..Cos they’ve been wasting so many people’s time and money thru’out so many years…(*so angry*) So my turn to ‘occupied’ their appt slots and wasted it  >.<

    There was once, after telling them how busy I am, they even send a respresentative to meet me near my area. I met her up. The rep they sent is a newbies to the company. I even persuaded her to leave the company and gave her all the links and web-sites to prove that the company she joined is out to cheat people $, and she's helping them to do bad thing!. And it is a blacklisted company under CASE. She resigned after that . Wohooo…

  160. Hi I just sign yesterday/ saturday 4Feb , but we told them that we may cancel in 3 days, as we are not so sure.
    They already charge our credit card $1000. They got our IC etc…

    Can someone advice us, so we can get the $1000 back and get rid of these people

    •  do you have the notice of cancellation? get advice from CASE, they will ask you mail the notice of cancellation by registered post. you must do it within 5 workdays…

      • Thanks so much, I did ask the CASE.
        I sent the letter with register mail, their cancellation form and our own made cancellation letter.
        I did take picture of them as well the envelope at post office after the officer put the stamp. I did sent it to their agent after I called him that we want to cancel.
        Maybe it is too much, but I am really aware that we are facing with scam company who know the Singapore Law, otherwise why Singapore can not get rid of them? 

        Oh ya, we did block the company to access our credit card, we had bloc and changed our credit card as well. We got a call from bank yesterday and asking authorisation for this $1000  DP. We had cancelled everything but they still try to fork our money.

        Is there anything that I should do?

  161. I just received a phone call on the similar scam also, his name is Andy, Hp Number : 83722594, company number: 63772379.

    Thank you Justin, your information is very helpful.  I believe you have helped a lot of people….thanks….

  162. I am in dire straits can someone help me…me and my wife got cheated for a long time, I have been struggling to paying my credit cards payments for almost a year now because I have been con by them…I still have balance of 9K to pay to them…I am very worry how I am going to pay such large amount to them. My email is jeremywcs@singnet.com.sg.  I just hope some good soul can offer me some help to get me out of this shit !!!!

    • Hi Mr Jeremy, nurul here…ur case is same for me and I’m also still paying the bank for the loans that I apply…currently my sis is helping me so go and report to the police and CASE…

      • Hi Nurul, I am glad I have found that you share the same case and thanks for sharing…I am going to make report to CAD and also CASE to report on the damage done to me and my wife.  Since your case is similar to mine, I like to hear from you more, if you could leave down your contact HP or email you may email to me at jeremywcs@singnet.com.sg I am most happy to talk and discuss with you and share the more on the bad experiences, why I am saying this is because we are on the right track to squeeze down down their throat, but I need to gather more evidence, your case is similar to mine which could help to elevate both of cases for the Police (CAD and the relevant authourities) investigate and catch these crooks on the right timing effectively and quickly.  We need to work this out together.  I believe if victims cohorts and cooperate in common goal is to catch these crooks and utilmately we all want to get back our hard earn monies.
        @singnet:disqus 

  163. Goodness. When are they going to stop? I got a call from Melvin today. Offering the same gifts at university Chicago etc. I just want to say thanks for the web and everyone’s comments. Really helpful.

  164. Just got the call offering the gift and ask me and my wife to go down to Vision building..

    i think i better think twice..is so shocking to find out is a scam.Thks ..

  165. Hi all,

    Thanks for sharing the experience.  I just read this blog after receiving a phone call today.  The lady told me she’s conducting a survey on behalf of Touch Solutions Singapore, doing credit card surveys for all the local banks in Singapore.  She asked about my surname and my pay range and number of credit card I’m having.  When I asked her how she got my phone number, her voice changed and she seemed a bit panic.  Anyone encountered the same situation like this?  Phone call from Touch Solutions?  What happens next?  How to stop this?  Thanks.  

    • Mole in iDiscover

      if u have completed the survey, a phone call will be made to u in a few months (days/weeks/months, depending on when they feel like calling u up), stating that due to completion of survey, u have been awarded with 3 gifts (hp/diamond pendant/$500 shopping voucher(which is for online use, valued at 10k, but the address on it is a church’s address, and u need to pay processing fee and what not for it, not worth it actually), 1 for 1 cruise voucher (same as the $500 voucher, same address, pay processing fee for using the voucher and etc etc fee per booking, also for overseas cruise, NO LOCAL CRUISES, have to fly overseas to use the cruise tickets) and a 8D7N 5 star free stay in thailand (actually resorts in phuket or koh samui)), and all u have to do is to come down to their roadshow for a travel company (ITC/IKD/etc etc), similar to natas, just smaller scale/mini.. caller will “be” with u for 80 mins to show u around the fair, tell u how to “fully utilise” the gifts blah blah blah..

      then they will try to confirm an appointment with u for u to be there.

      from this point on, fun goes on a long way..
      keep rescheduling after u’ve made an appointment, and also, their “roadshows” are not open on mondays, so u can keep trying to ask for mondays.. either that, or u confirm, especially weekends (best if sunday) and not show up.. keep rescheduling till they get mad at u, literally, and keep hanging up on them. if u want extended fun, just keep giving ridiculous excuses to not speak at the moment, call back in a while etc etc etc..

      hope this helps..
      have fun showing them who’s in charge..or rather just have fun killing their time..
      they get paid by the number of successful bookings made per week..so that’s why they’re going to be very persistent, and finally rude before they give up hope on calling u..

      • Got the same call…how can this kind of business be going on?? I believe these people will get their deserved “rewards” in the end for making people’s life miserable…

        • Mole in iDiscover

          they will, in due time..

          soon i will be trying to organize an anti-timeshare group, will need everyone’s support on this!
          when the time comes, i will need all the help i can get from everyone of u!
          let’s stop them from cheating hard-earned money!

          • Now is call Crown Holiday Exchange…things they do and say is the same…

          • Mole in iDiscover

            only thing that will change as time goes on, will be the “gifts”

            the rest, same, timeshare crap

    • Mole in iDiscover

      sorry, $500 dollar shopping voucher is valued at $1k, not 10..

      typo

  166. I m an unlucky victim just signed on 01 Apr 2012. Has lodged a claim at Small Claims Tribunal. Hope to get back my hard earned money back.

    • Did you sign a contract with them?

      I went down today and took the survey, I told them I have only debit card and no additional money to sign up immediately.
      I fill up a UOB application form to apply for a credit card.
      They did not take my card to swipe for any transaction.
      Am I safe?

  167. I was about to enter the building, the one at orchard and found this blog. Luckily…
    This is what i have
    Sales lady
    Rina
    9066 3915

    Call center
    6733 2379

    Thanks to justin 🙂

  168. I was actually downstairs of the building at orchard. Luckily i found this blog before i decided to go in.
    I was saved!

    Same tricks but below is the no
    Sales person
    Rina
    9066 3915
    Hotline
    6733 2379

  169. how i wish to see this earlier..was now cheated..anyone can help??

    • Mole in iDiscover

      report to CASE?

      there’s always a cooling off period or something like that when u use credit cards, so u can cancel the purchase and stuff..
      can find out more if u scroll down even more, as there’s ppl who got cheated way back in like, months or years..

  170. Fresh out of the oven! 10 mins ago I received a call from whatever C&A company and was told that I’ve won some gifts ($500 voucher/handphones/diamond that comes with certificate wtf) and that I should go down to somewhere near Univ of Chicago and allocate 80 mins of my time. She also left the same phone number 67332379 (because I said I don’t know when I’ll be free *skeptical*) Unbelievable! I thought what kind of luck is this!? Then thought it might be too good to be true, so I even went to ACRA to search for this stupid C&A company – no results. And I googled and googled and I found this blog! Gosh thank you so much for sharing!! 🙂

  171. Just got a call from A&C too.. Pretend I am too busy because I think it sound fishy.. Thanks Justin for the post..

  172. thanks for your story, they call me as well!! not going downto listen! !

  173. Just got a call from David yesterday. Immediately knew it was a scam as he kept blabbering away on the 3 gifts mentioned by all of you. I have told him i have an appoinment and won’t be able to make it. Still he was willing to call me back before abd promised by lunch time today. I googled and found this posting to see how actively they are trying to promote their activities. Their office as he said is next to Vision Crest and they are having a mini fair today.

    The ctc numbers he has given this time is : 67337266 & 90683791.

    Becareful, be alert and beware of them!

  174. hello, recently my hubby & I were also conned into signing this similar contract, latest discovery is that the company is gazetted to be struck off on status date 04/07/2012 according to CASE . I wonder after logging to CASE , small claims tribunal as well as making a police report, will i get my refund of $600 back. i was told by crown holiday exchange that they will only pay me back in 60 days… By the time, i believe the company will stop operating.
    hopefully after the police report to CAD, the police will go after these bad pple. Wished i ve seen this blog earlier!!!!

  175. Thank you! For the information. I was received a call from this guy call Melvin. Appreciate the updates and exposing the scam. I question, why can’t the authority doing something on this??? so that people don’t get fool…

  176. Mole in iDiscover

    http://www.scambusters.org/timeshare.html

    this will help for those who don’t understand what a timeshare is all about, and how the “scam” works

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